Who is going to win the elections in USA?

Who is going to win the elections in USA?

...who cares?

or

...what difference does that make?

The rule of ZOG will continue regardless of who will become the "main puppet."

Iw ish it won't be Bush

The sad truth is that, as I already mentioned, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE who wins. The so-called "president" is nothing but a puppet who is ordered by the same zionists.

The so-called "election" is the process for the purpose of naive lemmings so they continue to live their lives with the illusion that THEY are the ones who elect THEIR officials who represent THEIR instrests.
This, unfortunately, couldn't be further from the truth.

Those so-called "elected officials" in the U.S. represent the interests of the American people as much as the "elected officials" of KC PZPR represented the interests of Poland during the communist era.
(I can't comment on how it is now in Poland because I don't live there, but I suspect that other than some "labels" not much has changed...)

Of course it doesn't make a diffrence WHO personally wins ( although I'd rather have an intelligent president) as the president is a puppet BUT it makes a SIGNIFICANT diffrence if right or left wing representant wins: med-care, pensions, taxes, war on Iraq etc. They have a significantly diffrent opinion about things. The democrats' presidency has a different impact o economy and relocation of budget than that of a republican party.

Sadly, you are mistaken. What you are describing is the "official" version, i.e. the illusion I described above.

Some petty and peripherial issues are given big names and different candidates are shown as having opposing views on those but that's all just a cover up so that the lemmings keep thinking that they actually have and are making a choice.

I can also say that sadly you are mistaken. Are you sure that you really know what are the key diffrences in political program of the democrats vs republicans? If you really know them you must be aware that they differ quite a lot. I would recommend refraining from conspirational theory , where all of the polititian have the same program because it is far from truth especially in US.
I personaly see the changes with each president in US as it affects my taxes and not only. It doesn't take much more than a basic course in economy to see, in what way economy changes if the republicans' or alternatively democrats' ideas will apply. And the diffrences are significant.

Go ahead - convince me that they are in fact different with some facts.

Conspiration theory?!? Are you able to process information (on your own not carefully spoon-fed through controlled mass media)? Are you able to draw any conclusions?

How are the things going to change, if let's suppose Kerry wins?
Are we going to leave Iraq?
Are we going to stop throwing our money away to support our great "ally" Israel? (which is THE REASON why the entire muslim world hates us, and our way to respond to that is the reason why the rest of non-muslim world is beginning to hate us more and more, and why I can't bring a freakin' nail-clipper with me when I fly and ZOG has the right to do pretty much all they want in the name of the so-called "war on terrorism" under the authority of the so-called "Patriot Act")
Are we going do round up and deport all illegals who take away our jobs and destroy our cities?
Are we going to use the U.S. military for the only legitimate purpose and that would be to protect our country, starting with protecting our southern border from the mass of illegals pouring in?
Are we going to stop all destructive policies and trends such as the so-called "affirmative action" and so-called "multi-culturalism?"
Are we going to stop wasting our money on the crack-addicts who use publicly funded welfare to support their habits?
Are the special interest groups going to be left out and the regular taxpayers are going to be the ones whose interests are represented?
Are we going to eliminate retarded frivolous law suits?
Are we going to hold crooked politicans and executives for selling out our country?
Are we going to stop the destructive globalization before it completely destroys the world as we know it?

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

Oh, btw - could you enlighten me and tell me "which" one is the "correct" choice? Because until I hear it from you I'm not exactly sure how I should feel. That is, if the "republican" is good and we've been happily steamrolling for the last 4 years and if Bush gets re-elected we'll have another 4 years of the "fine" and "prosperous" ride, but if he's not re-elected that will be the end of the world as we know it and the moment Kerry takes over the world will go completely to hell, OR is it that "democratic" choice is the "correct" one and it would mean that we've been in real hell for the last 4 years but, hopefully Kerry gets elected and the day he takes the office America will become the paradise on earth and all the problems will be solved with his "plan," but of course there's this danger of 4 more years in hell if he's not elected.
Please, let me know so at least I know how to feel becasue from my own limited and ignorant point of view I can't tell the difference and all there's on my mind are those "conspiracy theories."

One more thing - I recommend reading (or re-reading) "1984" by G. Orwell if you have any imagination and the ability to think outside of the prescribed and politically correct ways you'd find the situation described there shockingly reminiscent of what is going on in America now (and what's been going on ever since the 60's or maybe even earlier).

I guess there is no much choice for you than commit suicide:))

I am not going to do your homework for you and write the main diffrences in programs of a right or left wing. These are significant and you can even see that the main outline is similar in any country.

I have a feeling that you are expecting all people be immersed in some naive conceptions of politics. I am afraid, world isn't only full of idiots where you are the only wise one:)
I will not confess here my political inclinations as it wasn't my point in this discussion.
!!!!!!!!!!I am not saying that ANY of the candidates will miracously heal the world economy and the peace will last forever. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not expect miracles but it doesn't mean that the program of the two opposite parties is exactly the same and that if any of them will be elected the possible course of actions will be the same- AS YOU SUGGESTED. I am MERELY arguing THIS ISSUE.
Orwell's Animal Folwark and 1984 was describes totalitarian regimes and political systems of ANY ERA. We don't have much more Amargeddon today as it was two or three decades ago:))
Regardless of the fact if in the goverment are "GOODIES" or "BADDIES"we STILL have to TRY to make at least a small diffrence. Wrong choice can teach us a lot as well. It is only through testing that we learn and improve things. NO CHOCIE and complains are worse than a BAD CHOICE even if there isn't perfect CHOICE offered
Complains and apocaliptical buuuuuu will take us nowhere... Are you suporter of world without goverment and a total anarchy?!

Tez sie zastanawiam jaka recepte na aktualna stytuacje ma ten Anti-Zog. Narzekac to kazdy umie, i marudzic ze nie ma wyboru i to to samo. Ciekawy jestem co on sam ma do zaproponowania.

>samo. Ciekawy jestem co on sam ma do zaproponowania.

Not being a lemming? You gotta start somewhere.

(Zinn is a historian:
https://www.ang.pl/Historia_Anglii_i_USA_8696.html)

Zinn, who describes himself as "a democratic socialist," criticizes both Democrats and Republicans in "A People's History." In the most recent edition, he lumps Jimmy Carter with Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush, saying all three presidents stood for the same interests -- corporate wealth and power, America's "huge military machine," and supporting right-wing governments abroad. Zinn is critical of both President Bush and Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, saying the candidates are too alike on many issues. Nonetheless, Zinn admits he'll likely vote for Kerry on Nov. 2, saying, "I want Kerry to win this election simply because I want to see Bush defeated. But I'm certainly not a loyal follower of the Democratic Party because I think the Democratic Party has been too much like the Republican Party.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/10/13/DD[gg] SR1.DTL&type=books


" And they keep you in the game, giving you the feeling of fairness, preventing you from getting angry and upsetting the wheel. It is a system ingeniously devised for maintaining things as they are, while allowing for limited reform"
http://www.ecn.cz/temelin/textonly/law_zinn.htm

but still, being against everything and voting just for the sake of "seeing somebody defeted" isn't very constructive isn't it? Any substantial plan to offer instead?

ehhhhh Katka Katka, if only there was a reasonable choice. ehhh I partially agree with AntiZog that both of the sides have always hidden agenda and we are only the puppets in the game. But, I make a simple equasion and draw a rather sarcastic conclusion: Both candidates are only meaningless figures but if I have to listen to any of them on the TV, I would rather listen to Kerry on TV rather than Bush. Mr Bush doesn't even seem to know what he is talking about neither can he pronounce it ha ha ha. Like a rock, only dummer.

Figurant musi przynajmniej dobrze potrafic udawac, ze ma cos do powiedzenia. Inaczej mija sie to z sensem. Jesli odgrywaja dla nas sztuke, to niech przynajmniej aktorzy prezentuja jakis poziom gry:))

>I guess there is no much choice for you than commit suicide:))

I guess there's always this option but I think I'll stick around for a bit more... maybe one day more people will open their eyes and the real government will replace ZOG.

>I am not going to do your homework for you and write the main
>diffrences in programs of a right or left wing. These are significant
>and you can even see that the main outline is similar in any country.


I don't need it. I know their "official" agenda which is used to sway those with "limited processing capabilities" (for whatever reason; lack of mental abilities or lack of interest to see the bigger picture).
Besides, here in America it is really hard to distinguish which of the "official" parties is left and which one is right. I certainly am leaning more right but not right as defined in America. Let's see what some of the American "right" party's ideas are:

- acts giving the government powers which start to remain the best of those in any of the totalitarian systems (The Patriot Act)

- lack of any border control, and what's more - plans to legalize millions of illegals and continue bringing more from behind the south border.

- outrageous budget spendings without any way to pay for it

- and first and foremost total betrayal of the interests of America and Americans (being Israel's thug)

I'm not going to mention the other "right" qualities of the American right such us obsessive religious fanaticism...


> I do not expect miracles but it doesn't mean that the program of the
>two opposite parties is exactly the same and that if any of them will
>be elected the possible course of actions will be the same


I'm not saying that their "official" program is the same - it appears to be different but in fact it is not. As I already mentioned, it is different when it comes to petty and peripheral issues (and that's what the ignorant public is concentrated on thanks to the ever-helpful media) while the handling of the big issues is going to be the same no matter which "party's" puppet is at the center stage.

>Orwell's Animal Folwark and 1984 was describes totalitarian regimes
>and political systems of ANY ERA. We don't have much more Amargeddon
>today as it was two or three decades ago:))

We're getting there - VERY FAST...
The point is that the majority of people (or animals) described in those books (and it is "The Animal FARM", btw) did not think that they were living in an "abnormal" (totalitarian) system. The good was bad, the bad was good, the right was wrong, the wrong was right, and nobody was to question it. That was considered NORMAL.

You think it is different now? Try to publicly speak the truth about jews, negroes, the real reasons for the 9/11, the real reasons for the decay of this country or other countries where things are handled similarly and we'll see what'll happen. I'm not talking about "bashing" any of the "more equal" groups, calling them names, etc. only about stating the widely available facts about them. You'd be destroyed before you can blink your eye. You consider it normal and democratic? You don't find it odd at all?

>Wrong choice can teach us a lot as well. It is only through testing
>that we learn and improve things. NO CHOCIE and complains are worse
>than a BAD CHOICE even if there isn't perfect CHOICE offered
> Complains and apocaliptical buuuuuu will take us nowhere...

Well, there's also an option of keeping your dignity and integrity and chosing not to participate in this farce... Participating in elections in the U.S. in their current state is like being mugged by two different gangs - one with sticks and the other with clubs and you have the "right" and "privilege" of choosing by which one you want to be mugged. That's some choice, I tell you...

I'm not expecting a PERFECT choice but at least something that's even remotely reasonable. As of now there's no such choice.

>Are you suporter of world without goverment and a total anarchy?!

Couldn't be further from the truth. I'm a supporter of a strong government that takes care of the interests of ITS country and ITS people over those of some foreign entities and domestic special interests groups; a government that doesn't stick its nose into every little detail of people's lives but it can and will protect them if necessary; a government that creates the environment where the prosperity can flourish without any artificial (and destructive) social engineering.

> maybe one day more people will open their eyes and the
>real government will replace ZOG

aaaaa the guy with mission, hehe heh

>Besides, here in America it is really hard to distinguish which of the
>"official" parties is left and which one is right.

No more diffrence than in any other country. Program is pretty clear and diffrences in right - left manifests are similar in every country since the first democratic goverment. Everywhere the right wing is traditional, ofteh religious and most importantly has a tendency to max. privacy in every field of economy, reduction of taxes for the most affluent part of society so they could generate more jobplaces. The left wing supports the interests of the working and middle class keeping the taxes high according to the income and providing this way govermental sponsored social services e. g. free med-care, education, retirement plans etc. This is the very main outline there is many other details.

Obviously the scheme doesn't work perfectly anywhere in the world, but the main points are the same.

The only diffrence is the general political LEANING in particular country.... e.g. that in Canada, Sweden even the far right still more "socialist" than the left with in USA, very conservative country. But that is another issue.

>We're getting there - VERY FAST...
so we did during cold war; so we will in 20 yers etc. Nothing new today neither yerstaday

I'm a supporter of a strong
>government that takes care of the interests of ITS country and ITS
>people over those of some foreign entities and domestic special
>interests groups;

Strong goverment? "Hot air" or simply miltary solution. Like in Argentina some time ago. huh? Smells like totalitarian concept...

a government that doesn't stick its nose into every
>little detail of people's lives but it can and will protect them if
>necessary; a government that creates the environment where the
>prosperity can flourish without any artificial (and destructive)
>social engineering.

he he ... Idealist. SOunds like John Lennon's "Imagine" heheh I am afraid, that there wasn't goverment as such on earth yet. ANd every candidate for a president is such an idealist at some point but LIFE ISN"T perfect, and economy isn't only a simple equasion. At some point they all have to stic to reality and painful gravitation.
In the meantime, I wish you nice dreams...

>he he ... Idealist. SOunds like John Lennon's "Imagine" heheh I am
>afraid, that there wasn't goverment as such on earth yet.

Idealist? Hippie? You're more confused than I thought. Nothing in what I mentioned is idealistic. Equality, happiness, etc. for everyone, everyone receives and gives according to his needs and abilities, etc. - that's idealism. What I talked about was simply for the government to do its job and take the interests of its constituents over those of foreign entities and special interest groups. And to openly talk about and deal with issues instead of covering them up or finding "politically correct" explanations and solutions that don't work because they don't even address the real problem in the first place.

>At some point
>they all have to stic to reality and painful gravitation.
>In the meantime, I wish you nice dreams...

Yes, that sounds great. You convinced me. From now on I think I'll become a conforming lemming and do what the BigBrother tells me because, of course, that's the reality and that's the only "right" way.

Heil Bush! Heil Kerry!............oooopssss! I still have to decide which one is the right one for whom I'm going to cast my meaningful vote. I hope I'll choose right so that our country doesn't go to hell as it surely would if I made the wrong choice!

On the serious note, however, this obviously is going nowhere - you keep quoting the book definitions of left and right, and keep telling me that they're different, etc. which I never questioned in the first place but you don't seem to be getting the fact that this political theory here (in the U.S.) is very distant from the reality. Also, don't bring out the examples of other countries or compare it to other countries - I thought we were talking about the U.S. and the elections here not anywhere else.

>What I talked about was simply for the government to do its job and take >the interests of its constituents over those of foreign entities and special >interest groups. And to openly talk about and deal with issues instead of >covering them up or finding "politically correct" explanations and solutions >that don't work because they don't even address the real problem in the >first place.

That is idealism. People are ONLY human beings, I am afraid. so...Power corrupts.
I am not saying that I wouldn't like to see you vison implemented. Who wouldn't! But since it isn't possible at the moment I'd rather stick to REALITY and choose from what is on the plate. Even if the diffrence would be very minor and had negative repercussion in other field.
Have you ever though that even providing some "movement" and not letting the "old term" boys have power for too long is creating some opportunity for new guys. Yes, yes, I know you will say again : they are all the same. So if ZOG will run in the elections one day will be also labelled by people similar to you in the following way: YET ANOTHER ONE...THEY ALL THE SAME.

I am not quoting the books, the changes in taxation etc. are within your hand as they are also visible on your payslip assuming that you are employed. But perhaps you should look into this books. You will not learn there about politics but you might grasp the concept of complexity of the economy. This way you might see that it isn't only about moral values of politicians self-interest,and their flaws.
I am sure you are somewhat aware that the economy has its mathematical rules and it isn't a perfect natural system given from Good and violeted by sinners:). The Noble Prize winners in mathematics and economy are wrecking their brains trying to find constructive solutions f to improve the economy. So long they didn't come up with the perfect system.
It is very easy to complain and even easier to paint a perfect political landscape but it is more difficult than you seem to thinkactually to do something constructive.

It seems as you tend to meet on the daily basis too many of those inflicted with the Big Brother Eye.:) By the way, there isn't RIGHT way in anything in life. Dualism of the values is only a human's barin projection. Being ratious about anything isn't realistic.
ESCAPISM , hovewer, isn't a recepie for solution to anything.